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宁夏泾灵南村：精准脱贫促发展 实现小康幸福梦
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LisaJo48 - thanks for the questions! Responses below in blue!
- For Tournaments,
- So Tournaments are not for the champions? I thought they were another means through which champions could get points, along with Events.
Correct, tournaments are not meant for the Champions. We look at Tournaments as ideas and perhaps adoption themes that the Champions would curate, to then be posted as Tournaments for users in the organization. The Tournament is really meant for organization users to come to, be inspired to learn more, and gamify the experience to make it fun! - Two lists, ToT User Actions and User Actions have the same columns in them. What is the difference between them and how are they to be used?
I'm not sure what ToT User Action list you may be referring to. There should not have been a list with that name created. There are other tournament specific lists too like Tournament Actions and Tournaments that capture the actual steps of a tournament. The User Actions list is used for reporting the actions that users take as part of the tournaments, and then there are a few other Tournament lists created, outlined here.
- So Tournaments are not for the champions? I thought they were another means through which champions could get points, along with Events.
- For Events,
- What does is the "Count" column in the Events Track List for and what does it do?
Count here is the actual point value for the record. It would be the event type point value x the number of events the champion logged completed. Which is why you may see a higher count than the strait point value (assume I completed and logged 3 office hours done for a record - 3 x point value = count) - How is the Actions List list connected to the Events list, or is it? My perception is that the items in the Actions List are the tasks to be completed, for/with a particular event, in order to earn points, however, I'm not seeing a reference to the Events List in the Actions List (in the same manner as there's a link between the ToT User Actions list and the Tournaments lists). So I'm not sure I understand how/if they connect and how they work together or how to use them if they are not connected.
These two are not connected. At this time we are unable to separate out the lists into different directories to help easily clarify ToT vs Champion lists (naming standards we could do a better job of and will add that into our dev lists!). So for these, Action lists is for Tournament of Teams actions, specifically sample actions we introduce to get you started. Events List is the list specifically for Champions and events that are promoted to them for recording / logging as part of their activities.
- What does is the "Count" column in the Events Track List for and what does it do?
- Is it possible to change the column headers shown when you click on the Add Members tile in the app? For my company, Region and Country are not applicable. We'd like those to be "Company" and "Division" instead. I see no need to change the underlying column names in the lists, just what is visible to the end-user/champion when they are submitting the name of a new champion.
From the default installation - no. The column names are required to stay the same with the standard deployment. Likewise, there is currently no ability to change the field names from the Add Member screen.
You can absolutely customize any part of the solution though via modifying the code. We publish the entire code via the GitHub Repository so if you wanted to make column or UI changes you could. You would then just need to repackage the application and deploy with your custom changes.
Customization Overview
Thanks for the questions - from it I can also take away some feedback in improving our solution with the following additions to our feature logs to work on:
- Clearer list names and naming standards
- Ability to modify column or direct UI elements related to Champion nomination captures
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to inspire and for the work here, I've added the above to our teams backlog to discuss and if you have other questions related to my responses above, please reply back and let me know!
/Josh
- For Tournaments,
I have several follow-up questions. I'm not sure if this is correct forum to ask them so please let me know if I should ask a different Tech Community or direct me to the correct MS resource. Thanks!
- For Tournaments,
- So Tournaments are not for the champions? I thought they were another means through which champions could get points, along with Events.
- Two lists, ToT User Actions and User Actions have the same columns in them. What is the difference between them and how are they to be used?
- For Events,
- What does is the "Count" column in the Events Track List for and what does it do?
- How is the Actions List list connected to the Events list, or is it? My perception is that the items in the Actions List are the tasks to be completed, for/with a particular event, in order to earn points, however, I'm not seeing a reference to the Events List in the Actions List (in the same manner as there's a link between the ToT User Actions list and the Tournaments lists). So I'm not sure I understand how/if they connect and how they work together or how to use them if they are not connected.
- Is it possible to change the column headers shown when you click on the Add Members tile in the app? For my company, Region and Country are not applicable. We'd like those to be "Company" and "Division" instead. I see no need to change the underlying column names in the lists, just what is visible to the end-user/champion when they are submitting the name of a new champion.
Community ManagerLisaJo48 - thanks for the questions! Responses below in blue!
- For Tournaments,
- So Tournaments are not for the champions? I thought they were another means through which champions could get points, along with Events.
Correct, tournaments are not meant for the Champions. We look at Tournaments as ideas and perhaps adoption themes that the Champions would curate, to then be posted as Tournaments for users in the organization. The Tournament is really meant for organization users to come to, be inspired to learn more, and gamify the experience to make it fun! - Two lists, ToT User Actions and User Actions have the same columns in them. What is the difference between them and how are they to be used?
I'm not sure what ToT User Action list you may be referring to. There should not have been a list with that name created. There are other tournament specific lists too like Tournament Actions and Tournaments that capture the actual steps of a tournament. The User Actions list is used for reporting the actions that users take as part of the tournaments, and then there are a few other Tournament lists created, outlined here.
- So Tournaments are not for the champions? I thought they were another means through which champions could get points, along with Events.
- For Events,
- What does is the "Count" column in the Events Track List for and what does it do?
Count here is the actual point value for the record. It would be the event type point value x the number of events the champion logged completed. Which is why you may see a higher count than the strait point value (assume I completed and logged 3 office hours done for a record - 3 x point value = count) - How is the Actions List list connected to the Events list, or is it? My perception is that the items in the Actions List are the tasks to be completed, for/with a particular event, in order to earn points, however, I'm not seeing a reference to the Events List in the Actions List (in the same manner as there's a link between the ToT User Actions list and the Tournaments lists). So I'm not sure I understand how/if they connect and how they work together or how to use them if they are not connected.
These two are not connected. At this time we are unable to separate out the lists into different directories to help easily clarify ToT vs Champion lists (naming standards we could do a better job of and will add that into our dev lists!). So for these, Action lists is for Tournament of Teams actions, specifically sample actions we introduce to get you started. Events List is the list specifically for Champions and events that are promoted to them for recording / logging as part of their activities.
- What does is the "Count" column in the Events Track List for and what does it do?
- Is it possible to change the column headers shown when you click on the Add Members tile in the app? For my company, Region and Country are not applicable. We'd like those to be "Company" and "Division" instead. I see no need to change the underlying column names in the lists, just what is visible to the end-user/champion when they are submitting the name of a new champion.
From the default installation - no. The column names are required to stay the same with the standard deployment. Likewise, there is currently no ability to change the field names from the Add Member screen.
You can absolutely customize any part of the solution though via modifying the code. We publish the entire code via the GitHub Repository so if you wanted to make column or UI changes you could. You would then just need to repackage the application and deploy with your custom changes.
Customization Overview
Thanks for the questions - from it I can also take away some feedback in improving our solution with the following additions to our feature logs to work on:
- Clearer list names and naming standards
- Ability to modify column or direct UI elements related to Champion nomination captures
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to inspire and for the work here, I've added the above to our teams backlog to discuss and if you have other questions related to my responses above, please reply back and let me know!
/Josh
We have deployed the latest version of CMP last month. We created a MS form for champion nomination and used a power automate flow to populate the member list based on the inputs in the form. When i approve the newly added members through member list directly or through CMP they are not able to see the icons of leaderboard, badge, etc. in CMP but when i add them as a champion directly from CMP app it works absolutely fine. We really need immediate support with this as we cannot add champions manually from app every time. Any help will be much appreciated.
JoshLeporati Thank you for this tool, we are excited to use this and see its potential. I am looking for some additional information around the 'Events List' and 'Events Track List'. That info seems to be missing from the github documentation or I am just overlooking it. Based on your description above, the 'Events list' is used for Champions to gain points. What is not clear to me is how these events are defined or triggered. I see that I got points in the 'Events Track List' for the training event but I am not sure that was triggered. How do I trigger the blogs, or office hours? Also, can I make additional events, if so what is the process. Your help here is appreciated.
- JoshLeporati
jlaneCAS hi! From the events list you are mentioning, that is where you can add your own event types for Champions to log completion against. Lets say that you have specific things your Champions are doing, like maybe a Lunch & Learn. You would add the "Lunch & Learn" to event type, and mark it as active. Also to your question, absolutely you can make your own to show up there :)!
The way that it is triggered (or logged) is when a Champion visits the leaderboard - in the main screen is an option to record event. That list is populated from the event list, so the Champions can record activity against any active event type.
Walkthrough -
- Add events you'd like champions to record to the event list (click event list will take you to the SharePoint list where this data is stored
- Visit the leaderboard from main app then record event to select and record against event type
I'm working to publish a customization guide that hopefully will help go into more details on all the areas and ways to customize for programs. Hopefully though the above helps with your direct questions.
/Josh
- Question JoshLeporati or anyone else:
Is there a way to safeguard against a Champions 'stacking the deck' by saying they are hosting more events than they really are?
For example, a champions notes that he's written 4 blog posts therefore giving himself 40 points when, the fact is, he's only written 1 and should only be awarded 10 points.
- Add events you'd like champions to record to the event list (click event list will take you to the SharePoint list where this data is stored
Thank you SO much. This was very helpful. I will likely have more questions... ??
For some reason, this one is hard to sink into my brain. In your list of 'To Do's, please include some written documentation and/or tutorials. Your answer to me was the most I have found! Also, I am so grateful that you are looking into being able to change, at least, the frontend UI labeling. We are deploying it as is so it will be important that we can make a change like that (asap) without having to reinstall.
I do have one subjective question I could use some input for. We were planning to only make it available to Champions...for champions to excel in the apps and then act as mentors. We weren't planning to make it available to everyone; we don't have sufficient support to manage the influx. So, with that in mind, can you think of a use case for the Tournaments if they are only available to champions? I'm curious what you might envision. Thanks!
LisaJo48 I agree! This is the best explanation so far I've seen of the tournaments, especially. I was confused even after reading everything I could find. Thank you Josh and Karuana for the answers.
I second the request for additional instructions and/or demos from the champion program manager perspective.
- JoshLeporati
LisaJo48 - no worries at all, always happy to discuss! Thanks for the great feedback and questions!
On the Tournament of Teams - so a few things. First, that component is absolutely optional to deploy. On first deployment of Champion Management Platform the underlying lists, etc will not be created. It's only on the ask from and admin to deploy Tournament of Teams that those resources would get deployed. So, there may be times where you want to hold on deployment of Tournament of Teams until like you mentioned, ready to use for larger organizations.
Perhaps some use case could be local tournaments (really - more just targeted tournaments) for the Champions among one another. We see most all use the events and record event for Champion learning/tracking ... but for elevated learning there is no reason you couldn't target a tournament at first just to the Champion community. In the current release just remember only one Tournament can be active at a time, so if you had one going just for them, you'd need to wait for it to finish before loading another one up.
We are looking at expanding that to support multiple tournaments down the line, as well as better awareness driving from Champion work to promotion of Tournament for said work out to the right end user audience.
/Josh
- JoshLeporati, I too have been looking for documentation on the Champions Platform and how to utilze it from a starting place after IT installs the platform. What you have above is the most information I have found helpful so far. Is there a way that we could have an open training on setting it up or a more detailed "how to" somewhere? I have looked and haven't found it.
